Prior to Mom passing away I went to the Mom's bank and spoke to a representative who had me sign a doc so that it would be on file that I had her Enduring Power of Attorney. I have set aside more than enough to cover that expense. I have already paid the probate fee on the lesser amount. Banks drive me nuts, for exactly the kind of thing you've just described.Lynne. When I sold her house after she went into a nursing home, I invested the money in an Empire Life segregated fund contract as her financial advisor suggested. This is certainly not the law, but must be an internal policy of the bank. The RSP is not in the estate if it names beneficiaries. Safe Deposit Boxes You will need the key to any safe deposit box so you can list the contents and access any important documents it may contain. It must be a policy that TD has established. How can I keep track of what cheques have cleared? Open an account online in about 20 minutes or apply in-branch. The TD bank allowed my brother to even close accounts, and cash in GICs and made all assets payable to him. When my husband left , he said they did not care, they were not there to help, they would not listen and talked over him.Needless to say, no estate account was opened. I think that's all they've been used for to date. I am her executor and sole beneficiary. Take the funeral bill to the bank where your uncle had his funds. Will I need to open an Estate Account? It's under $75,000. Waste of time.It takes sometimes up to a year or more to probate a Will, but bills need to be paid before that. Lynne. The primary focus of the Account Specialist, Real Estate is to prepare credit applications, actively participate in credit structuring, risk management and client facing support. Yes, you have ALL the rights. I have Mom's taxes done for this year. The bank is treating my moms registered accounts with no beneficiaries (rrsp/lif/rrif) as frozen until probate is received. No probate is required. Do I get bank drafts and a contract made up?One beneficiary is a minor. If you are the executor, it's up to you to decide whether you want to take the personal risk of releasing money. The first stage of estate planning is preparation. I know you want it to just be easy but there are procedures built into our system to protect people. There are 5 of us siblings and my 4 siblings have all agreed that I would take care of Mom's account. If the account is closed, you have to open a new one, as you have a legal obligation to deposit them and use them to pay any outstanding debts of the estate.Lynne. We were able to open up an estate account at the Bank of Montreal and transfer the funds from her account without going through probate. Instead I seem to be stuck mingling assets with my own money, which seems like a terrible idea. must i wait for court probate? Can she claim the whole monthly amount for the past two years on our moms estate who recently passed with severe dementia? Hello Lynn,Is an executor allowed to pay expenses out of the estate account prior to probate being granted? The reason we were fighting is because our understanding is that the Will should trump every other document completed before the Will. Sorry.my question is actually can I deposit this cheque to my account or cash it? I have having some real tough issues with TD Bank. Be cautious about disbursing funds until you have 100% control of the situation and know for sure what's out there.LynneLynne, Hi LynneMy mom passed away about a year ago, my sister and brother and I were all executors. I have challenged them on this, and they keep telling me there is no estate department (I know this aint true, I have spoken with the estate department). Please go ahead and post it. how long does that usually take? If the executor is the beneficiary can they then use the estate funds for personal since all financial obligations will come to them anyway? No, there is no time limit specified anywhere. Her girlfriend/partner of 30 years passed away. I have been sent a cheque as final payment for caregiving services. Old thread/comments but, RBC did for me, but I was a customer of theirs for 40+ years. You are probably right about that. I paid the expenses (probate fees etc) personally as I was not allowed access to the funds. Her affairs are simple and the estate is modest. You are the executor and you need to get control of this situation. I was under the impression from my mother's lawyer who handed me notarial copies of her will that that document gave me the legal right to proceed and get any bank accounts changed from her name individually to "The Estate of.." There is real estate and rental properties involved, with rent payments coming in and on-going expenses to be paid on a monthly basis. All from my laptop. One is to pay for the funeral up front and reimburse yourselves after the house sells. The ONLY cheque to come in was a refund from the cable company (5 months after I cancelled her account, PRIOR to her passing), and it is made payable to her estate, with my name and address underneath. I am the beneficiary to the residual. Why do I need an estate bank account? That's not going to work either. After months of us complaining they offered us to prepare a Disclaimer(?) All debts of the estate have been paid. Why on earth do people try so darn hard to avoid probate? I am the executor or the estate and the sole beneficiary of the will. A cheque was released to to each person on title for a project (including my grandmother whom they knew was deceased) . Hi Boobes,Trying to understand your question. Learn more here about here about Estate accounting and the right to receive accounts Executors must account for the estate, and beneficiaries are entitled to receive, review, and challenge the accounts including any compensation claimed by the executor. If you are not applying for probate for any other reason, I don't see why you would apply for it because of a small cheque. Will i need a letter of administration to open an estate account or will my bank let me sign a letter of indemnity? The financial obligations of an estate do not "come to" an executor personally. Hi Lynne, our mother passed away in February this year. I have all the receipts and this will be documented in the final accounting but I realize this may not entirely be legal. His RRSP beneficiary form completed in 2011 lists my sister and me as his beneficiaries (oversight). In law, you have no right to do so because you've been given the cheque as executor, which means it's in trust for the beneficiaries of the estate. You tell them. Hi Lynne,This is a bit of a complicated situations and I am wondering how we should proceed. slips. As long as the executors are being reasonable and acting in good faith, they are carrying out their duty.Lynne. It depends on the situation. I have received the probate, and can access to the Estate bank account, and wonder if I could just go to the bank and withdraw money for my reimbursement? Sotheby's International Realty Canada cautions that MLS market data can be useful in establishing trends over time but does not indicate actual prices in widely divergent neighborhoods or account for price differentials within local markets. Sat-Sun 8 a.m.-8 p.m. ); Your joint executors might have a strained or non-existent . You don't need probate to operate an estate account.Lynne, I have been named as Liquidator of my ex-husband's estate. Given that the amount of funds in question is substantial, I wouldn't be surprised if they tell you they want probate.The bank might give your mother a break on this requirement, especially if she continues to keep all of her investments and accounts with them.Lynne. My mother passed, without a will. Most of the time, paperwork comes from a lawyer. to the bank and they should open the account with no problem. Unfortunately though, they are not the ones involved in your basic executor's account, because the executor's accounts are handled at the branch level.All I can say to executors is that if you cannot get what you need at one bank, go to another one - the competition - and see if you get a better response. No, the executor cannot make gifts that were not mentioned in the will. We put it on our firm letterhead. All of our accounts are joint as are any debts ie mortgage and car. Estate Plan: A written document that outlines an individual's strategy for the disposition and administration of their property at their death, incapacity or total disability. Just recently she sent everyone $50,000.00 cheques, from her bank account, so we could get some of the proceeds now rather waiting the 4 years.An Executor depositing Estate money into there own personal account just doesn't seem right! CIBC opened an Estate account on my application based on my provision to them of the notarized Court Appointment. Do I have any rights to see this paperwork? Several expenses were incurred and paid from my own pocket while waiting for the probate to be granted. I asked if i can close the account and open one that says Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. Any credit card debt or personal loan debt will be paid from the deceased's bank accounts before the account administrator takes control of any assets. Hello My 24 year old son passed away oct 28 i found his gst cheque dated oct 5 that he signed is it ok to cash it or wat do i do ? Part of the probate process IS verifying the will, so you can do this all in one step. Thx. most of her property was gifted to me before her death. It's quite possible that they will insist on probate. All Canadian banks apparently have their own rules regarding estate accounts and probate. I (probate granted estate trustee with a Will, and I am also the residuary beneficiary) opened 2 estate accounts for my mother's estate last year. All the estate assets have since been liquidated and deposited to the CIBC estate account, and now CIBC has locked the funds and is refusing to distribute the funds until such time as each and every beneficiary appears at a branch of CIBC, identifies themselves with the previously provided ID's and signs the account application. If you haven't wound up the estate in a year and there is no good reason for it, you could end up in a dispute with the beneficiaries and possibly in court.Lynne. A joint account is not meant to be used to avoid probate so the courts have cracked down on it.In my view, given all of what I've said here, no, you'd never get them to pay the probate fee. The debts of an estate are paid only to the extent that the estate (NOT the executor) has the funds to pay them.So, yes the executor does have access to estate funds right away, but no, a beneficiary does not. My uncle passed away and put my cousin and I as executor's. Apparently the estate wing of the bank does not inform the local branch where the papers were scanned if there is a problem. In fact I never actually did this as she was quite capable herself. What if there was a mortgage on the property (there isn't). I was told in the beginning the less money in the account the easier it will be to close out I have a felling this isn't so. She has no real assets. I just received a govt cheque made out to the estate of my mom care of myself for her OAS payment. We spoke with a tax specialist for the bank on the phone, and he said if the branch would update her accounts to show 'estate of' in the titles of the accounts he could reissue the slips to show the required information - however the branch is refusing stating probate requirement. The mistake is just as much yours, as a person under a POA instructing them to do something you weren't allowed to do in the first place.I know this probably isn't the answer you wanted, but that's how I see it.Lynne, Hi Lynne. Should I be raising cane at TD? This account is available for all youth under 18 years of age. Hello Lynne,My mother passed away in February and I am a co-executor along with my brother. They are the ones trying to follow the law. Payable on death accounts A bank account where a beneficiary is named is called a payable on death (POD) account. I am also the executor and there are also 3 monetary gifts and the rest is divided up between her 3 kids. (I was not asking any info on the account only about their requirements for an Estate Account) but she jumped on him immediately and would not listen. We have heard from others that other banks did not pull this. I think you probably will have to open an estate account.Lynne. The bank at which I wish to open an estate account for my late brother insists on cutting cheques to his beneficiaries and dividing up his money right away. How long should it take for a bank to open an estate account? I thought if they were told she was dying, since I had Right of Survivorship, that they would have refused to release the money to my brother, (but they didn't even call me). One thing to note before closing an account is whether it is an interest-bearing account. I opinion, you don't go to RBC if you have a non-probated Will. Or I could simply present a copy of the Will to the financial institution that I am the executor? If Empire Life insists on issuing a cheque to the estate, are they at all obliged to reimburse me for the probate fees I will have to pay on the money (300K) because they made a mistake in allowing the account to be set up that way? Hi Lynne, I had POA for my mum, who had dementia. An "estate" refers to assets you owned at the time of death. If a CRA refund is the only asset in the estate, talk to the bank and ask if probate is really necessary under the circumstances. What purpose it serves would only be a guess on my part. To open any bank or investment account, you'll need a taxpayer ID number for the estate, which is itself a taxpayer. Do we really have to go through probate? My husband is the executor of his fathers account. Lynne. Do I have to go open an estate account for,this one cheque. There were no investments just bank accounts in both our names, (my father and mine)so the money could pass seamlessly in the event of his passing. One way to handle this is to have a separate bank account opened after the person's death, which is referred to as an estate account. Given that there was no will, no spouse, and no other children, the chances of anyone else appearing are next to nothing. Otherwise, this could end up being worked out with lawyers for the bank, which in my experience is like hitting your head repeatedly on a brick wall.Lynne. The only thing going to probate is her house which was only in her name. Anyone can make a mistake but that's not a mistake; thinking they outrank the court is arrogance.As for not telling you about the problem they were having, yes, they should have told you. If anyone goes to jail or pays a fine or whatever else the fallout might be, again, that's you, not the bank. We also offer guidance on tax strategies to maximize your family's wealth over time, managing assets, setting up trusts, and developing estate plans that cross jurisdictions. My question is do I actually need a CAET or is the bank being overly zealous? I suggest you read the 2007 Supreme Court of Canada cases called Pecore and Saylor. Thanks. All the risk of the account falls on the executor, not on the bank. You need to complete a simple form with a confusing title: IRS Form SS-4, Application for Employer Identification Number. So you couldn't have used that account to avoid probate. Hi Lynne, my deceased father's will dated 2015 names my Mother as a sole beneficiary of his entire estate, however does not list every single account he had. I am the sole executrix named in his will. My question is, do I need to apply for a probate grant before I go to a financial institution to open an estate account? Unbelievable! I opened an estate bank account in BC where I live. If you waste or steal the estate, that's not on them; it's on you. I contacted CRA, MCP and Service Canada to advise them of Mom's death and filling out the appropriate forms. Clip: "If you're an executor, however, you can open the [estate] account at any time once you take charge of the estate. This meant the assets did not go through the Will, nor to my brother, yet all three banks released, the funds to my brother (2 banks, within hours of the day he and his daughter changed the POA to remove me, and just make it the two of them) it was almost a year, before my mother found out the POA had been changed, as she never asked for it to be changed. Find more information at Canada Pension Plan Death Benefits, or call Service Canada at 1-800-277-9914. Earn a $300 welcome bonus with a new bank account 2. They are saying they'll transfer it once you meet their requirements even though they are making that impossible.Consider making an appointment with the branch manager. Probate is slow because her state pension came from UK along with a small occupational pension. You need to realize that if this goes sideways, YOU are the one who will get the blame, not them. Contact the financial institution for more information. Giving Power of Attorney My elderly (74) sister has made 2 partial distributions (3 siblings equal parts) and left enough for the CRA in the Estate account (says she has applied for a certificate). Appreciate your comments, Ed, Ed, your note rings alarm bells for me. Does my daughter have to pay taxes on this as income for the year? Is there any reason why my sister would not be able to transfer to me half of the shares and cash in the investment account at this time? All decisions of joint executors must be made unanimously, so all three will have to sign all cheques.Lynne. Perhaps you should go to another bank.Lynne, Hi Lynne, my husband recently passed. Thanks. Do I need to set up a trust account to deposit this for her? My mother passed away in April, and I met with her bank on April 26 primarily to be sure no further deposits were made. The probate has just been completed.The estate is entirely investments with no actual cash other than a monthly dividend cash flow. Utter incompetence on their part considering they should have informed me of this long ago. That is not the law any longer, when we are talking about inter-generational accounts. That is my main concern now. That really is an awful story. The client is now deceased and her power of attorney signed the cheque although I do not believe it was a joint account as only the deceased name is on the cheque. Have I waited long enough and should I get a lawyer and start litigation including the passing of the accounts? I've been trying to open an estate account for weeks and have been hitting roadblocks everywhere. I am the person who paid for the funeral and I already applied for the CPP death benefit. Can it be deposited into this account. This does seem like a genuine mistake, but certainly a preventable one. My mom's name was on the deed of the house at one time but then at some point her name was removed as she was purchasing another house for investment purposes. So i'm very confused. Can I open an estate account and deposit his cheque into it. He had a brother & sister who are now the beneficiaries. Thanks again! Is this an honour system, or does the bank verify estate accounts by looking at the will? So what I'm saying is that they have no reason to try to supervise what you're doing once you have provided the proof that you're the executor. If you did not obtain the permission of the court to step down, you are still the executor. Thanks. Since 2007 it has been the law in Canada that joint accounts between a parent and an adult child that were set up for the purpose of avoiding probate are not true joint accounts and must be paid into the estate of the parent. Is it different when somebody has no chequing/savings accounts? Plug in values from the estate account into the appropriate schedule under the correct category. Should we be concerned? Can we open an estate bank account if we did not probate and are not the Executor? The problem was resolved in a day after I fired off a couple of nasty emails to RBC's client centre, Trust wing and Ombudsman. If it's not going to the named beneficiaries, then it has to go to the estate and be taxed. I received a letter to say that Mom didn't qualify for the Canada Pension Death Benefit as she didn't pay in for enough years. Some are told they need the original will, many are told they have to get probate first, and some are told they need the consent of beneficiaries. I am the executor of my father in laws will. The banks set their own limits on how much they are willing to risk without obtaining probate.Lynne. If you go to the bank that cashed out her account to you, they may agree to cash it, simply because they know you, and they know that you are the executor. Unfortunately there is no law I can draw on to give you permission to by-pass the legal requirements of estate administration.Lynne. If you don't have to go through probate, then by all means, don't. I am also sole executor of the will. A sizable amount ended up here. Everything has been done for the estate. My experience has been that they do not allow online access in other banks either.Lynne. An Estate account is a different kind of account - it is a new account opened after someone has passed away, into which the Executor deposits the deceased person's money, from which the Executor pays the deceased person's debts and bills, and from which the Executor ultimately distributes funds to . Will taxes apply to your estate in Canada? After the death benefit from CPP was deposited, I as the executor, got them to make a money order for each of the 4 children (self included) to divide estate funds up and closed the joint account. None of that is true and I seriously have to wonder if banks have anyone working there who has any idea what is going on. I don't want to probate because our wills were joint as was everything in our lives. We also own property that my mother as executor has never removed my Grandmother from. I went into the bank to open an estate account so we can deposit money into that account and pay out accordingly but the bank (CIBC) will not let me open the account until probate is done. Hello Lynne.I am the executor of my fathers estate. If the house can sell at a higher price after repairs and restoration is there a duty to the beneficiaries to wait until it's repaired before selling? Thanks in advance for your input. Lynne. During the estate planning process, the idea of adding a beneficiary, usually an adult child, to an existing bank account as a joint account holder can seem like an attractive, more efficient option than creating a will and then having your executor set up an estate account after you pass. The things people will do to their own parents is absolutely appalling. However, keep in mind that as an executor, your obligation is to wind up the estate as efficiently and quickly as possible. This risk is eliminated (for the bank) by the probate process. An estate account is a financial tool used to manage the estate of a decedent. I was told I would have to open a personal account in my name. Therefore she can open the account, receive funds on behalf of the estate, pay bills etc all before she gets the probate.Lynne. The bank will simply remove the parent's name from the account upon receiving proof of death, leaving the surviving account holder with full access to and legal ownership of the account. I want to ask my question to the bank but can I get your consent first? My mom passed in June, after living in long term care for just over a year. Even the bank manager was surprised they had no mechanism to inform clients. We have updated this page to reflect the transition to the 2021 version of the National Occupational Classification (NOC).This means that the occupation "estate secretary" was moved from the group Legal administrative assistants (NOC 1242) to the group Legal administrative assistants (NOC 13111). The 1st distribution I picked up from a lawyer as I was in a hurry to get money. The judge has discretion to deal with the will. You must pay all debts (and it sounds as if you have done so) and taxes, then whatever is left must be divided among the beneficiaries.Lynne. However, that is none of the bank's business. Your question is why the bank is refusing to add your name to an estate bank account. It has been over 2 weeks now, I have not heard from the branch and I have no access to anything online.My question is why am I being denied any access what would be happening to the accounts that I can't access them and what is taking so long? I am both executor of her "estate", as well as POA and sole beneficiary. Can Laurentienne refuse to transfer the funds from my decesased uncle's account to BMO? Excellent blog and thank you for writing the Self-Counsel press document "How Executors Avoid Personal Liability" in BC, published in 2014. You can apply for an ID number online, at www.irs.gov. I asked to see the documents and they refused to show them to me and also refused to give me a contact name and number of the registered office because I am not a member of the credit union. Thank you so much in advance! Thank-you Alyssa. Can the estate lend money to the executor who pays interest on it to the estate at the same rate the money is now receiving in a GIC? I received a cheque made payable to the Estate of my son with my name as well. My husband recently died before he could receive (as sole beneficiary) money from his mother's estate who had predeceased him by 2 years. A person made a will which was never signed. Your authority comes from the will, not the probate.Lynne. Once probate is completed and Certificate of trustee is issued does the Executor have absolute control over the Estate bank account, including authority to make dispersals to beneficiaries, be paid executor fees and close the account at any time? We need to access funds to pay final funeral expenses, property tax, and more importantly estate taxes so we can begin probate.How we do access the funds? Executor & Estate Bank Accounts. He banked with Scotiabank, and they are telling me that they will not transfer money from his accounts into an estate account with another financial institution. The estate is valued under 20000 dollars so we are not applying for probate. I'm very sorry to hear about your son. Try going to the bank where your son had his accounts, since they will have records of him, etc. Having said that, there could be other factors that might affect the situation (there always are). I am an only child. The beneficiaries are prepared to put some money into the pot to cover the probate costs and other debts until I am named estate trustee and until which time we can sell the house and assets. My father passed Nov 18 2016; he was widowed and there are 3 beneficiaries named in the will. I am not happy with RBC at all. So, my question is -- where do I go from here? I'm frustrated that I can't create a single account in the estate's name to deal with everything. The final distribution (to myself) was confirmed last year by my lawyer, and I have since acquired some of the major assets left to me. In the next breath the employee told the other executor, the old account is now yours and you can take the Money and run. Check the motor vehicles registry web page in your province. Can I simply deposit the cheque to her bank account and withdraw it? I also used the C$ account to pay out the interim inheritances last year. so, this should be easy opening an estate account is just a formality, since all accounts go to me anyways. Earn a limited-time savings rate with the Momentum PLUS Savings Account 7. Thank you for your answer! Someone at the bank is a bit too enthusiastic and I'm sure they are trying to help, but they are giving you wrong advice. Now the will have been pronated and the bank has all information requested but will not release the money to the estate account because they want to keep it to cover the mortgage (with the same bank). 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